We bring fresh high-quality coffee to the masses. Did you have to alter your thermocouple at all to get it to fit into the adapter, like removing the cap on the end or something? 1. This video clearly shows how to program in an offset on the Rex C-100: https://youtu.be/9aW8MfiKIPg?t=291. Loosen the four bolts that hold down the boiler assembly. Likewise, you can use 22 awg for the connection between the PID and the SSR. If you have the regular version (RI9380 120V, or 240V), you DO NOT need this wire. I dont want to void my warranty. When set up on my bench it tucks away nicely in behind out of sight and only needs to come out when in use. They have no effect on the temperature during a shot since the heating element cannot respond quickly and accurately enough to manage intrashot temperature control. The PID unit did not turn on using the same terminal of your machine. It is suitable for Gaggia Classic or other machines with a silver finish. If you really want these features, its probably time to think about upgrading your machine. Main Output: SSR: Open circuit: 4V, Closed Circuit: 24V40mA DC Regardless of which thermocouple you choose to use, you will also need to factor in an offset no matter what thermocouple you use, and this is really based on your tastes. Popular categories from this store. Visit store Contact. While the steam switch is engaged, the PID serves to provide a temperature reading of the boiler, which is great, because you can use that temperature reading to time when to start steaming for maximum steam performance. The PID works after hooking everything up. the PWM needs a new wire to the where the pump wire was disconnected. http://facebook.com/HKCoffeeHome EspressoGaggia Classic !Gaggia Classic can give a good espresso shot . Keep the thermostat, in case you want to return the Classic back to factory condition. Its actually reading too high.. 98 deg against 92deg measured by both my oven thermometers. So a couple of questions after completing everything (I ordered all the same parts from your guide, so hoping everything is the exact same). SKU: N/A Category: Accessories,Espresso Machines Tags: -GG-CLASSIC-PCB, $100-$300, $200-$300, 12annivexcluded, 13tierexcl, 300-600, Accessories, auber-instruments, gaggia, obalist, SA-GG-CLASSIC-P, SA-GG-CLASSIC-PCR, . Temperature unit. Hey Chris, Im wanting to put the pid into an extended 3d printed driptray. I adjusted the calibration offset on the PID +5.5 degrees to read 212 degrees.Have you any suggestions of more accurately calibrating the PID and TC? If your connection is down to just a few strands, that will generate heat. However I now need to connect steaming and brewing circuits in parallel rather than serial because steaming circuit will not be closed unless I turn on steaming switch and supply power to steaming SSR. Their kit is convenient, and is the way to go if someone doesnt feel ready to take on a 100% DIY project. Does this pid control both the group head water and steam wand? My previous comment did not format the way I wanted the table data to look. Is it necessary to use a heat sink with the SSR installation? The PID itself draws very little current, so something like 18 gauge lamp cord would work. Thanks! Nevertheless, I will take a look and see what values my controller is set to. If you are in the U.S. then mains voltage is 120V, which will not kill you (unless you have a pacemaker or are standing in a bathtub) but can give you a decent shock. However I dont know if my unit is properly calibrated and/or has a proper offset. Ive tried connecting these in various combinations but the PV readout is 3 or 4. The PID is really converting the mains voltage to 12VDC both for its internal operation and to drive the SSR, so the PIDs draw is quite small. Ive noticed that the PIDs output1 LED isnt illuminated after it climbs above my set temperature (103) but the boiler is getting heated up regardless. These are located around the shower screen. This PID controller kit has all the features of our other listing titled "PID temperature control kit for PID Retrofit KIT for Gaggia Classic & Home, KIT-GG", with the addition of pre-infusion and steam temperature control. Thanks! I hope it helps some EU folks not spending extra hours on debugging this minor EU-US model difference . 3 months later, Ive finally set up the PID and honestly, its a gamechanger! I love the Lego enclosure idea. Hi Kez. If you need to replace the PID controller, please contact us. Our provided installation manual is based on the Gaggia Classic 2016 (model# RI9403/11). Apologies for the long questions, thanks in advance! $285.00. I would not try anything without checking first. I think this is why using a separate SSR and controller is the only way to go. Fast, Free Shipping. Looking forward getting your thoughts and ideas Variants Coffee Only + Installation - No Coffee Only + Installation - Yes Coffee, Steam & Pre-infusion + Installation - No Coffee, Steam & Pre-infusion + Installation - Yes Quantity Free Shipping Parts (Gaggia Classic) I swear this is the last question I will ask today lol. Silver case Black case TopBox with logo TopBox with gauge hole. Anyway, thank you Chris. I have a 2012 and am wondering if you had success and if the wires are as described in the article. Is there a way to tap into +/- 12Volts inside the GCP? report. I found that carefully pushing the boiler up gives better access to the thermostat, either from above, or by reaching up from below. Do you have any diagram of the wiringi cant understand how to switch on the steam circuit so the second SSR would not try to heat the boiler in parallel. This does mean that you can only fill the water tank by pulling it out. Hello, Run this wire along the rest of the existing cables and out the back of the Classic, through one of the vent slots. See here for details. I decided to go the do-it-yourself route, ordering the parts separately, at a fraction of the cost of the kits. (For orders placed recently in 2022) If you placed the order as a guest, you cantry the, (For orders placed a while ago) Please log in and download the manual from your order history page. When I got my C100 the thermocouple was M6, i ended up buying an m4 brass bolt drilling it out, and inserting the thermo with some glue and heatshrink on it and it works like magic added some thermal paste. PID Kit for older plastic body Gaggia Classic. Be careful, the edges of the hole in the chassis are very sharp. Do you think this makes difference? A copy of the digital manuals, which includes a detailed installation guide, an operation manual, and supplementary documents. if i understood not adding a steam will give better steam? Rancilio SilviaPID. If you purchased the kit from our website, you can download the manual zip file from our website by one of the following methods: Note: 6 Reviews (6) $375.00. Its not hard if you know what you are doing and there is at least one youtube vid showing how its done. Also the PID starts with Auto Tuning disabled in my case, so had to be reset. I had no problem with my mod other than the stickers on the back of the PID were reversed, so the terminal markings were not correct. Stay connected. So I would say yes, you should use a heat sink, but the Gaggia body conveniently provides you with that function. The Gaggia Classic is a very capable espresso machine that gets even better with a couple of improvements. This gives the machine a whole new level of consistency, and gives you fine control over brew temperature. The 103 is not a true 103, that is what is getting measured in the boiler wall, and there is also a temperature drop off between the boiler and the portafilter, so your final espresso temperature will be lower. Hi Chris, Ive followed these instructions exactly (thank you for your thoroughness) except for how the mains were tapped: I moved the two wires terminating on the bottom of the power switch to the top, and tapped them (as per another guide). Range: -1999 to 9999 (depends on the input signal) That is confusing. What is your coffee bean dark or light? Hard to say how long it took because I was doing other things as well (dimmer switch, boiler pressure gauge, boiler rebuild, etc.) That being said, the original brew thermostat is supposed to be 107C, so could perhaps reach even higher temperatures? To set the target temperature, press the Set button on the front of the panel. Youre giving up one of the two temperature readouts, so youll probably only see the actual temperature, as opposed to the target temperature, and I guess you can switch between the two with a button press. Hi Jun. You can get away with lighter gauge wire for the mains connection to the PID, as the PID draws very little current. If youre not comfortable installing this yourself, and taking on any followup maintenance, I think you would be much better off purchasing a machine that comes with a PID from the factory. I installed the PID so that there are no permanent modifications to the machine, and the Gaggia can be returned to factory condition at any time. i heard from some that the PT100 with the M4 is more accurate. Glad you got that sorted out. Double sided tape will work. If youre following a recipe that calls for a specific water temperature, then it would be easier to do this with an offset at the PID. You would need to put the boiler heater element between the controller terminals 2 and 3. KIT-GG Installation Guide Version 1.3 Auber Instruments, 730 Culworth Manor, Alpharetta, GA 30022 e-mail: info@auberins.com Tel: 770-569-8420 www.auberins.com . Ive attached an album with my wiring below; Ive literally had an engineer look at it and The Gaggia is 100% at its original state except for the power taps on the neutral at the plug, the live on the brew switch, and the thermocouple to SSR wiring: https://imgur.com/a/rc4xtfz. P, I, d, controlling period, digital filter coefficient, and more (for control theory experts only) Final note: before going down the PID route, the easiest modification to make, and the best starting point for Gaggia Classic modifications, is lowering the brew pressure. Everything else (Auber and Mr Shades) includes an M4 thread on their pt100. The pump is not wired in series with the Heating element so Im not sure what is causing this. Wire colors and positions seem to vary. A Gaggia Classic Pro installed with KIT-GGP. SSR control ready to connect external Solid State Relay to handle High current. Most assembly guides recommend using some thermal paste between the SSR and the Classic to ensure that any heat from the SSR is dumped to the chassis. Shades and Auber Instruments. This works well with a PID for light & medium roasts. Thank you for making it. (Gaggia Classic) Close. Warranty: 6-month limited warranty with a 30-day money-back guarantee is offered. Mr Shades is selling many small items (piggyback, spade, thermal paste, power cable, rubber grommet etc.) Heres how to install a PID on the Gaggia Classic Pro. How do I ensure that Im tapping the neutral mains? I am not sure exactly what you did when you moved the wires terminating on the bottom of the power switch. Hi Chris. Im tempted to return the GC because I never used it prior to the mod and it may have been a pre-existing issue. The steam mode has its own thermostat, which is very similar to the brew thermostat that the PID replaced, except that its temperature range is more or less as you described. For espresso, 9 bars is the generally preferred pressure. Its stimulated a lot of interesting discussion! (Available for download after purchasing the kit. Wear a glove when reaching in from below, otherwise bloodletting is likely. If the wiring in your machine is different from our installation guide, please contact us. If anyone is 3d printing the enclosure and doesnt want to tape or otherwise attach it to the Gaggia, I have made these small hooks that can be glued on to the enclosure: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4938828. However, when I flip the gaggia power switch to off, the PID LCD screen remains illuminated. It was impossible to see without getting down into the wire harness. At the amperages required to control the boiler heating element, you need an SSR that has enough mass and exposed metal to be able to attach it to a heat sink. Does anyone else have this kit? Thanks Alex! If you want to defeat this feature, please add this optionto your order. Plug in a mains-rated wire connected to a piggyback spade connector, and then plug the original neutral cable into the piggyback. The grommet is used where the wires go through the chassis. Pull off the steam knob and disconnect the steam wand. I got the white plastic in one of the stock connectors a bit burned, the plastic looks brown in some areas and a bit melted. 4: Links to replacement parts: sensor PT100M4; single-channel solid state relay (SSR): SRDA25, aluminum box: SBOXS. This is an extra piece of wire for the European model of Gaggia Classic Pro (RI9480, 230V) with an energy-saving module, which turns off the machine after about 20 min if not used). What you do get from the PID as per this guide in steam mode is the ability to see exactly what the temperature of the boiler is, so you can time your steaming to start during a heating cycle, which essentially gives you unlimited steam. You can buy them at Ace hardware for about twenty five cents each. Hi Nish. It doesnt matter which mains terminal is connected to hot and which one is connected to neutral. Thanks for the PID info. Its not elegant, but does the job to give you a pretty good relative temperature to aid your temp surfing. Nevertheless, it will take some time to get it and make a change of the temperature sensor. Sure enough, it powered up. Links. Heat the shrink tubing. Hi Kraken. Some shops are quoting $80.00 for the PID enclosure + lid. No extra button is needed to press for frothing. I am glad you solved the problem, Murat. Accuracy: 0.2% Hi peeps, finally got all the bits n pieces to do the Pid, brew & steam mod on the gaggia, does anybody have any general instructions for putting this all together? If you have a regular version that doesn't have the auto-turn-off feature, (RI9380, 120Vor 240V), you DO NOT need this piece of wire. The C-100 will fit in vertically, with the screen facing up. Ive been hearing the solenoid valve click several times while on steam mode as well, and the group head releasing steam on occasions, which also make me worry in terms of the wiring, or the parts just need replacement. Zip ties, heat shrink tubing, thermal paste, double sided tape, and a bolt and nut to attach the SSR are also required. As for you steam mode question, if you followed this guide for installing your PID, the PID will have no effect on the the steam temperatures or functions. Trim, terminate and connect the wires you routed out the back of the Classic to the PID. Thanks a lot for the answer. What you describe looks very much like the steam thermostat cycle. One question, Ever thought about adding a pre infusion feature? You need a 85-250V DC model, as the power will be coming from the Classic, which is mains-level voltage. This feature allows you to operate the brew pump manually, with the timer as a reference. Is this just a matter of adjusting the offset of the PID? 2: The add-on item option "extra wire defeating auto-off timer" is for the Gaggia Classic Pro European model (RI9480, 240V), which has the auto-turn-off timer feature. Thanks in advance, this was a huge help! My next thought was that the controller wasnt reading the correct temperature. The on/off temperature can be adjusted by the user. If you have never done this before, know that you are working with live household current, and this can kill you. I have to turn the set point on the PID down to about 85C to stop it boiling and getting steam and a great deal of sputter out of the portafilter. I actually ended up getting the one you recommended. I installed an Auber PID on my Gaggia Classic earlier this year. Thank you. Cheers. Auber Instruments PID Kit for Gaggia Classic. Individually PID control parameters Pre-infusion is achieved by pumping a small amount of water into the coffee, holding off the pump for a second to let the water soak in, then starting pumping for25 seconds. The fun of the PID is not just the great stability, but the ability to fine tune the brew temperature to your taste! The image I used is wrong and confusing, and I have now updated it. Have you got any ideas what might be going on? and I didnt work straight through, but I would say the PID took me about 2 hours, not counting the down time due to the crossed power wires. That is indeed not normal. You wont need the heat sink, the GCs case does that job for you. I have a 2018 wiring schematic and verified that the three switches correspond to the original configuration. Also some pids come with a built in relay. If you used piggyback connectors, it should be a quick job to move the right one over to the correct switch terminal. Run-program does a 1s pre-infuse followed by about 1s pause, then 30s pump on. Did you have any problems or stumbled upon anything unexpected? Does this happen even if you let the machine sit in steam mode and dont open the steam valve?. https://photos.app.goo.gl/Xp37S3o3y6bqqrEk8 My only concern is the diagramm I downloaded from whole latte love shows different connections then what I have seen in my unit Hello, I acquired and prepared all cables and SSR unit thanks to your well prepared title above. Is there an easy way to set a brewing and steam temp? Perfect, came back here to ask this question! Auber Forum PID Kits for Coffee Machines PID Kits for Gaggia; Poll Moved Topic. There is definitely something weird going on. Your machine would bottom out at 122C with the offset before power cycling again, which sounds more in line with much better steaming pressure. But I wondered if anyone has had the same problem and already found the answer! If you want to defeat that auto-power-off feature, please add this piece of wire to your order. If the thermocouple wire is too long, coil it up inside the machine, well away from the boiler or any uninsulated connections, using zip ties to hold the coil in place. Unfortunately, no, you cant use the factory sensor. Not really preinfusion, just an excellent way to crack the puck before your shot starts. August 05, 2019, 11:46:38 PM . So far the temp range Ive seen when the heater cycles on/off (after ~30 mins of warming up) is ~90C to ~97C. For the Gaggia Classic, taking into account the temperature drop between the boiler and the group head (5-8 degrees C), the PID target temperature should be set to about 103 degrees C or 220 degrees F at sea level. The same can be done with the REX C100 but you need one with all 8 screw terminals (the second SSR for steam uses the alarm function which needs terminals #6 and #7) and these two are missing on some REXs. Thanks for the quick reply. Thermocouple included: M6*1 thread , K type , 2m cable Pull the two wires that you removed from the thermostat up to the top of the machine, near the rest of the wires that run from the front to the back of the machine. What is the intra-shot temperature fluctuation that you are seeing on your machine with your PID setup? The installation is completely reversible if you ever want to sell the machine or send it to service. I opted to follow my connections according to your picture, rather than that text. This approach would make your machine a bit weird to someone who wasnt aware of what you did, as the brew function would be completely unusable without adjusting the temperature. GRAN GAGGIA PRIMING. It would be great to see how the machine is behaving without the PID, to get a baseline. Shades. Its getting very hot indeed so turned it off. If you really want to avoid the heating element switching while youre pulling a shot, you can blip the steam switch for a few seconds before brewing and that will bring the boiler temperature up a few degrees. When I turn off, it goes back to zero. I am only using the Rex temporarily while working on a project with a Raspberry Pi (and the cost of the Rex was only a couple dollars when ordering the SSR), otherwise I would reprint the entire enclosure with the hooks built in. But, I still get loads of steam and spray before it settles down. Shop for it now! I agree the ability to know exactly where the steam cycle is at is a nice convenience. Note: I fully tested the PID, SSR and thermocouple on the workbench before final installation. Left or right side if facing the front of the machine? Remove the cover assembly and filler funnel by unscrewing the two small screws at the rear of the top. How to install a pid on the gaggia classic pro. GAGGIA CLASSIC - MODDED. It has a blue led not red like pictured.The kit works for 115 VAC and 240VAC. 2. The best part is I am only in about $40 on my kit compared to around $150 for the pre made kits. Thanks. Monitor and display the boiler temperature precisely. Spent a relaxing boxing day fiddling around with this mod. Ill verify the cable, its one of the cables that came with the machine, so it could likely be the strands have slowly burned with time and just needs cutting and re-crimping, as you mention. With this tight temperature control, you do not have to surf the temperature for frothing because the heater will kick on much sooner than the original thermostat. Its not a sensor, it doesnt send any information, it just switches on an off, at setpoints that you cant adjust. The PID will be more or less bypassed when the steam switch is on, it will just stop trying to heat because the boiler will be over the PIDs target temperature. Remove the thermostat. To set the target temperature, press the 'Set' button on the front of the panel. Try powering the PID directly from mains power, with just the thermocouple connected (disconnect the SSR). And this is the thermometer out the back. I wondered if you ended up testing both in the end. Please be sensible and install a grommet anyway! There are several PID kits that are available for the Gaggia, the most popular ones are by Mr. Ill dismantle on a cleaning weekend and test the thermocouple again. Thats what Auber and Shades use, although they make their own. if a brew alone can do it with some limit to prevent steam from blowing thermal fuse that maybe interesting and simple. From what I have read, the PID with the additional steam mode option does not improve things much. Hi Joe. Others have managed to also install the PID horizontally and cut out a hole in the side of the GC, but that still requires replacing the water filler funnel. I have re-read the specifications for this controller. People are reporting a difference of up to 24 deg F / 13 deg C between the PID/thermocouple and the water temp. Read More. it appears i can configure the BERM REXC-100 like this as i entered the settings after i enabled alarm 1. auber uses 1 SSR & is simple. Like NEW Gaggia Classic Espresso w/ Grinder and Base - - 6758821731. You should now have two mains wires, two 12 volt wires, and the shielded thermocouple wire running out of the back of the Classic. Some people have done this by replacing the water filler funnel and 3D printing a replacement cover. This steam blipping is a fairly common practice that people use to avoid boiler heater cycling, its just another way to do temperature surfing. Thanks. robert kujawa 348 subscribers Subscribe 85K views 1 year ago In this video I'll install a PID unit on my Gaggia. Hi Brian. () . XMT720LCD . It has been working flawless for the most part, but seen a few issues that havent seen before. PID Kit for older plastic body Gaggia Classic. The PID, RTD sensor and SSR (20 Amps) are installed on Gaggia Classic Pro 2018+. Since installing the modification, I get a huge amount of steam and spray coming out of the portafilter when I first operate the pump so much so, that it sprays all over the worktop around the machine! Supposed to be faster in detecting temperature changes and more accurate with the measurement. Note that according to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UETVv0qgz-w, you can switch the C-100 between Celsius and Fahrenheit. Terrific write-up thank you for posting it! Mains is house current. In mine, correct terminal was crosswise of yours. Because the PID runs on mains voltages, an enclosure is required. If you have a 12v pid could you do everything as you have done except the mains wiring and instead wire the pid directly to an old phone wall charger for power? If the wiring was done correctly, the PID should power up when the Classic is turned on. The same complexity applies to pressure control. Pull the steam wand up and out of the Classic, and set it aside. But will there be an upper limit to prevent the boiler from going near 365F and blowing thermal. By doing this, the TC bead is pressed against the boiler housing at the point closest to the boiler water, and is assisted by the thermal transfer compound. Is there a way to calibrate the read out close to the water out temperature. But it will require some dismantling of the work you have done. 3. I then thought what if? and decided to change the mains wires to the opposite terminals. Hi Jeff. Thanks heaps for the detailed instructions. I would be glad if you have any recommendations. This prevents the high-pressure water from contacting the dry coffee powder which can create afast flow channel, ruiningthe brewing process. Power supply : 90-265V AC/DC This way you are not losing any pressure via the solenoid valve, you are just reducing the initial pressure to the puck by venting some of it through the steam wand. I can do a more detailed writeup of what Ive done if anyone feels like helping me find out whats not working properly! 0. Bliss. I found that moving the boiler up and to the side allowed me to get to the thermostat from the bottom really easily vs. the top. The kit is compatible with both 110VAC and 240VAC power. Im running into problems and I dont know if my REX-C100s starting values are the problem or if its my deviation with the wiring: Regardless of the temperature that i set on my PID, toggling the Gaggia on causes it to climb to 150-160C and then slowly decline to 118-125C, at which time it will heat up again. 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