First he used to walk up and down the isles and second it was a bit more exegetical than primarily exhortation based and those dynamics flipped. His sermons changed from adoration of the text to little postcard messages. It was the elders failure. And eventually, and I know you send them with a lot of safeguards, so they couldnt be forwarded. That didnt happen. I need to repent. She said a survey of 20,000 women for her book, The Great Sex Rescue, found that when men make the final decision in the marriage, even if they consult with their wife first, chances of divorce increases 7.4 times . Roys detailed evidence from former Harvest elders, employees, and members that . Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. These were people bringing charges against an elder. @jamesmacdonald. But like I said, Hes really working hard to rewrite history. Mine havent offered any blessings, but at least they havent eaten my extremities while I sleep. But But I remember saying to the guys, listen, heres the passages Ive been studying. And you couldnt be accused of disseminating them to the larger public. Because if he resigns, he gets up in front of the church, gets to spin things, and, you know, can probably relaunch somewhere else. And its to warn people, right? And if I would, you know, post some sort of statement. Chicago-area Republic Bank has stopped foreclosure proceedings against disgraced celebrity preacher, James MacDonald, and reinstated MacDonald's mortgage on his $1.5 million Elgin estate. Dr. John Street, the head of counseling at MacArthurs The Masters University, takes a harder line. . Yes, it is. Only Gods opinion is what counts. it's time for the cult of personality of James MacDonald at Harvest chapter to close and the actual Bible to be opened . Plus, the school offers more than 60 majors, great leadership opportunities and strong financial aid. Its not being nice, polite, or inoffensive. And scripture is really clear that its got to be, you know, two or three witnesses. And what happened and all the backroom meetings, private conversations and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? And they were praying in earnest this entire time. Rick Donald said that that would make us the judge, the elders, if we had the letter. In 2018, Roys' journalism exposed the now-former senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel (HBC) James MacDonald for his aggressive leadership style and abuse of the church's finances. And I just asked the Holy Spirit to show me You have to show me You have to show me whats going on. Ron Duitsman, Chairman of the Board, who agreed to fire James, now appears to be out there, saying that after James got fired, that the elders were were spinning what happened in a false way. So Rick was, in effect, the Assistant senior pastor. And a few days later James MacDonald's sons, Luke and . Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. I stepped away from my computer a couple of times. If you find yourself unaware of James McDonald recently did a video with Ron Duitsman, as you said, former chairman of the elder board, where he claims this was all part of a campaign by Dallas Jenkins, who's a former executive leadership team member at Harvest. Pastor James will provide answers in upcoming featured video posts. And I remember a comment being made. I remember as a young pastor first hearing about James at a 2002 Moody Pastors Conference and reading his well written book on hermeneutics with an apologetic leaning and being blessed from his book. I remember one other elder leading over to me and said repentant people dont ask for money. To donate, Lead Pastor and Exec Team of ARC Megachurch Resign Amid Allegations of Bullying and Financial Misconduct, EXCLUSIVE: Dozens Say ARC Megachurch Pastor Bullied and Shamed Staff, Volunteers, James MacDonald Preaching at ARC Megachurch in Arizona, Why Businessman Peter Chung Matters for the Future of The Kings College. Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? Then the board announced its executive committee would be resigning over the next few months. I dont see that as absolving James McDonald. Gosh she is just filthy with gossip as fact and at very best half the story. The airing accelerated the timeline. Great! Although as soon as, pretty much after Mancow aired it. Its phrased to make you feel morally superior. Six people who I doubt wherever actually all in the same room. But according. There was a push for him to be able to resign, and to negotiate on several points that we now know what have you know, let him walk away with millions of dollars. He wasnt bringing it to the elders and through a discussion with a couple of the pastors, chose to give it to the elders, which we were thankful for. I mean, just stuff that you just cant even fathom comes from a man who supposedly is a man of God, a preacher of the gospel. And I hadnt I hadnt signed that yet, I hadnt given a statement yet. But its a story that needs to be toldand rememberedgiven that MacDonald is trying to relaunch his ministry in Chicago. And I dont know whether it was Rick Donald, who was was talking at that point about he had the letters, and didnt think that the elders should read all of them. This was a many time thing. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. Thankfully, I had headphones on. But by the middle of day, right, we were talking about how we were clearly going to have to have an elder board meeting that night. So if you cant say anything, I mean, again, hes dismissive of the actual letters. And then you know, you would categorize these things. A man of God who just wanted to take a vacation with his family, has the right to use church money which is his only source of income. The leaders in our church spoke like KJ era British people when they prayed, I always wondered why. Tim, thanks I should have read before commenting and exactly! Julie, thank you for your excellent work in exposing that which is done in darkness, among the body of Christ. However, there were a number of people in the room who did know him and knew him well. It was a battle in the natural but more than that, there was a spiritual battle going on then, and I think its still going on now. You know, while while I was an overseer, I didnt know it. Again, she was the the wife of Dave Corning who was an elder at Harvest for over 20 years, and telling her stories, and one of her stories was you know about pictures of her being put up on a on a wall as a target practice for James McDonald and her seeing this shot up with a pellet gun. Its so interesting. Marin, The leaders were brought together. When I did, I told her letters were coming in, would she consider writing it. He says, Well, for when I kept silent my bones wasted through my groaning all day long for day and night, your hand was heavy upon me. Should have that should have been enough of enough of a clue for me to say, Wait, wait, wait, thats a check. It was a four hour meeting. I had, of course, people from Harvest who had heard it, sending me sending me clips. And I gotta tell you, the people of Harvest, the people who were there before, the people who were still there, were so forgiving. According to his email, MacDonald has been able to hire a small staff and encouraged people to sign up for his Home Church Networkvideo messages for people to use in a home church. Gary, Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. And this was a spiritual battle. And when I read that, I just shook my head. But he said even the way said that he said, we got out of that meeting, we looked at each other. Jesus help us. Dan also was in numerous meetings with James McDonald prior to his firing. Julie Roys October 8, 2020. It basically says Jesus is as real as Santa Claus. And we talk about that Scripture and quote it over and over again. How much do you make? We brought up several things from the letters with James McDonald that night, and he was just dismissing everything we brought up. Thanks that is hilarious!! And we were at a stalemate. Hed been the senior pastor the whole time. Yet he notes that only a small number of former listeners responded positively. Others, who stumbled by the public deception sent many hateful words.. And at the end of the night, we looked around the room, we had talked through it. The Asbury Revival Is Over. Ill write a statement. And welcome to the podcast. When I did not immediately respond, MacDonald tweeted I had declined his invitation, which I did not. You could tell where it was headed probably. . Guest Bios Show Transcript Spiritual abuse has become an increasingly hot topic, as more and more stories of bully pastors and hyper-controlling, Guest Bios Show Transcript After years spent in an abusive church, how do you heal? In June, Visconti also posted a picture of him and his wife with James MacDonald and his wife. And again, Im going from memory, but also from what Ron Duitsman recently said. (God) says, the prudent see danger and take refuge. He also advertised an upcoming GrampCampan overnight retreat providing training and tools for grandparents to connect with their grandkids. What Happens Now? The headlines really heated up after the December 2018 publication of "Hard Times at Harvest," a lengthy expos by investigative journalist Julie Roys. She was a late comer to those of us who had been exposing MacD for a long time. Yes, I agree. And I know it was a battle. You did you have any idea that that this was out there, and might get aired? Yes, yeah, there were a number of people. Those are simply other examples of posts about controversial issues. And so I was pulling into the garage, and I knew I knew, as soon as I pulled in the garage, you know, I was, I was gonna go drive up to whatever floor and go to the meeting. James MacDonald (born October 4, 1960) is a Canadian-born evangelical Christian pastor, television evangelist, and author. That would be my word to Ron Duitsman. I followed his ministry for almost 2 decades. Okay. Is that an accurate representation? And and Im still feeling it and Im still hearing from people. Wives submit to your husbands. And you then forwarded them to the elder board. And so I felt relief. Well, and thanks so much for listening to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. You can unconditionally love someone. And then if you could, please share the podcast on social media so more people can hear about this great content. | (Photo: Harvest Bible Chapel video screen grab) Harvest Bible Chapel has dropped a lawsuit against author and journalist Julie Roys and the writers of the Elephant's Debt blog amid public scrutiny for an alleged culture of fear, intimidation, and financial mismanagement. Pastor James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel filed a lawsuit this month against two ex-members and former Moody Radio host Julie Roys, accusing them of spreading false information about the . I did not cover my iniquity. And I sat and prayed. And we already know the answer: the men are in charge no matter what and despite their failings and abuses. None of my sources said it was wrong. Dan currently is an executive and leadership coach and the founder of Front Seat Leadership. And you got all of them. And with that opening, I felt like it was confirmed. And I sat down on the couch in my office and cried. Voice of James MacDonald Believed to Be Featured in Vulgar Comments. And and that would be my word to James McDonald. In an email to The Roys Report (TRR), Vernick noted that in the Old Testament, Abigail, the wife of the boorish and immature, Nabal, was a strong woman, married to a weak characterand she wasnt toxic. "Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald": Julie Roys' Response February 12, 2019 Cherie Vandermillen [Julie Roys] I never thought I would hear an evangelical, mega-church pastor talk about planting child pornography on the computer of an executive at a Christian publication. And everyone who stayed just drank the Kool-Aid. I talked to other people who told me of demands that he made for private jets on numerous occasions. And there is one thing we know about Satan. You really didnt know at that point, whether he was going to get fired, or resign, or what was going to happen until Mancow Muller aired those vulgar excerpts from this hot mic recording that James McDonald didnt know he was on mic. Also, make sure you subscribe to The Roys Report on Apple podcasts or Google podcasts. Were supposed to approve this budget, and we dont even have a line item. And we shouldnt be, you know, happy with standing in line and say, well, so and so said that, right? And and again, I got out of this like so unbelievably easily. How can we approve this? Very sad situation for James and the elders as well. And my wife, my wife and I looking at each other and going are we really doing this? It is grounds for separation but not divorce., This view is popular in fundamentalist Christian circles. And there were several of us saying, you know, looking at I Timothy 5, looking at Hebrews 13:17, which tells us that elders are going to give an account. And when I look back at it, thats what I think. . For narcissists, attracting attention is the point. It seems we are being punished for the acts of someone who was our spiritual leader. Right, so now you have this meeting that ends you know, Tuesday night meeting that ends in the wee hours of the Wednesday, February 6. No, it wasnt edited. He teaches that wives should endure abuse like a missionary endures persecution. Longtime leader of the Chicago-area megachurch Harvest Bible Chapel James MacDonald has been ousted as senior pastor in light of unsavory remarks he made on a hot mic that were aired on local media Tuesday. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. Ed Stetzer was given a car by James MacDonald, along with a bunch of cash and other things that Roys documents in her reporting. Receive E-Devotionals and Ministry Updates. So I had a pretty good sense of what the meeting was gonna be from that point on. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. If hes fired, and its in the church is very clear on him being fired and disqualified for ministry. And were like, boy, I hate to say this, but that just felt demonic. At the end of that weekend, before James MacDonald got fired in February 2019. No one takes joy in doing this. Hi. I remember talking and saying, guys, were all going to give an account to the Lord one day for what were doing in this meeting. I agree that its loving to speak the truth, even when its unpopular, but the New Testament also has a lot to say about the way we conduct ourselves and how we should treat each other. And he opened the meeting, looking at me and said, I know what youre going to do, and the church is going to implode or blow up, and its going to be on you. Then pray for all of us. Please dont read something into a story thats not there. However, MacDonald texted me an invitation to appear with him in a public forum to answer for the many many lies Ive reportedly written about him. And I just felt this incredible weight. It didnt sit right with me when I heard about it, that the church was suing you, and the Mahoneys, and the Bryants. Julie can and has spoken for herself, but I must speak up against loaded questions like this. That was you, wasnt it? I thought the weight was dealing with everything else in there was a weight, but that was the weight. And if I can give you a context, where I was in my thought process, in that. . The only joy in doing this is we would be obeying Gods word. (We're a church of around 4,000 members & regular attenders.) But according to a recent email by MacDonald, he's a victim of defamation by an "envious child"and needs your money "to rebuild." "Tragically . I remember waking up that morning. Production and performance have replaced biblical exegesis and fellowship. Im sad for his fall. The elder board of Harvest Bible Chapel formally apologized to independent journalist Julie Roys and several former members, months after joining founder James MacDonald in a defamation lawsuit accusing them of publishing false information about the church's management and finances last fall. And I looked at it, and I could not read the whole letter in one sitting. Rick, Donald actually had talked to me after the meeting and said, how much that meant to James. Yeah, I got sued, but the case got dropped. Thats thats a much harder relaunch. This is the passage. So quick to forgive and people were giving me hugs the next night. And there were meetings on Wednesday, where James McDonald was informed of the decision of the elder board. I remember saying to the larger board, Guys, it is the grace of God that we have these letters. Tell me about that meeting and what he did. Not everybody had the physical letters, but we talked through what was in the letters. Because I believe in the church. Am I characterizing that correctly? And so really appreciate that and appreciate the time at which you did that. But he said when he and Scott Phelps and Barry Slebaugh went into a meeting with James in the summer of 2012, asking for, whats your salary James? It wasnt an easy thing to do. If this passage defines what a strong husband looks like, I think most of the issues take care of themselves. Otherwise just say what you really mean in your question: Im better than you because I would never support James MacDonald. Dominican Republic, a resort there and invited their wives to come with them. Had it not been for that recording, I mean, what do you think? . And it was just a deep sadness, deep sadness. And in those letters like Jacob Ross, who was the bodyguard of James McDonald. My spouse and I and many others went to college with James in the eighties in Canada. I was there at HBC & witnessed it. That this was all a plot by him that he was vengeful, towards James McDonald. And marital and sexual satisfaction plummet.. I didnt, I didnt argue with him. However, an email that I got, that Duitsman had sent out and then it was leaked to me, said that what Duitsman was upset about was the fact that the elders were admitting that they had failed. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? And my job was to get it to fellow elder board. Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? But as, as these excerpts of James speaking as, as James did, to so many people knew that, that this was the way he really, really spoke and who he really was. Divorce sadly acknowledges the truth. I pray for the man. And remember, a week before the decision had been made, in terms of not qualified as an elder and his employment would be over. MacDonald notes in the email that about a month after the settlement, he was able to write to recipients of the email. *Correction: A previous version of this story incorrectly reported that Visconti and Generation Church had deleted their social media accounts. Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. The Asbury Revival Is Over. Prominent evangelical scholar, author, and missiologist, Ed Stetzer, is leaving his position as executive director of Wheaton Colleges The Billy Graham Center, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation, An Arizona megachurch has hired Landon MacDonald as a lead pastor, despite allegations MacDonald bullied and abused those in his care while. Hes not qualified. Dan George served as an elder at Harvest Bible Chapel over a period of 10 years, actively serving on the elder board from 2010 through 2015, and rejoining the board in late 2018. However as I grew in age and hopefully in wisdom, I consulted other versions of the Bible. And James, recently, in this video that he posted, said that there was an elder, in these meetings, he says, its very, very disparagingly who, who was holding his Bible and kept reading scripture. Yeah, I can share some of it. If you hear that from the pulpit, or you hear that up front, I think, if Im sitting, if Im sitting in the seat, I think well, how fast can I get to my car and confess everything that just the Holy Spirit just brought to mind? Well, you know, we laugh about it. And we had consensus from everybody in the room that James McDonald was not qualified to as an elder and that his employment at Harvest Bible Chapel was over. Am I characterizing what happened there accurately? How come its always wives submit to your husbands and never husbands love your wives? Maybe some have on this platform for posting Julie has provided, but Ive never seen it. Christians should stop feeding these people. Nearly 30 pages, innumerable charges between all those people, Julie, they served on the staff of Harvest Bible Chapel for somewhere between 40 and 50 years collectively. Both are true. This was months months later. And that was the day that Mancow Muller aired these excerpts. What is the point of bringing this pastors political views into the story? So, Julie Roys decided to do what she does best - investigative journalism - in order to find out the truth in the world of m. What does the bible say about that? And thank you for loving our Lord and showing the way. Send your questions about the Bible, ministry, or personal matters below. And yet so many still have not and still waiting for James McDonald to do that. So then James McDonald flies in, right? And in case you dont know, Dan Marquardt was one of three former elders at Harvest, who stood up to James McDonald in 2013, and was excommunicated as a result. Ill tell you on that Saturday, there were, we took a break, because it was a long meeting. We knew what we knew what we were going to do. What what were you thinking? Thank you Jesus, Amen. According to The Elephant's Debt (TED), a blog critical of MacDonald that launched in the summer of 2012, MacDonald was then taking a salary over $500,000, and living on a $1.9 million estate. And that would have been right before you came back on the board. You know, they asked him as an executive committee member and the elder board chairman. Theres still one more thing I want to ask about. So grateful to be healthy and happy in the Lord to where I can finally wade into the filth from JuLIE Roys. And I was still on the board. And you know, shepherds, I think of John 10, right, the the hireling runs away, the Good Shepherd stays. Well, again, joining me today is Dan George, a former elder at Harvest, and one of only two former elders whos apologized to me personally, for some of the nasty things that were said about me when I was reporting on the church and James McDonald. I know a lot of people look at this. That would have been December I think 18th, 2018. And then he apologized. 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